Comments
Democracy
or jamhooriat is an alien concept to Islam. You are impressed by
western ideas. Quran says that if you follow the wish of those who
claim to be in majority, you will be ruined. This is what the
standard-bearers of democracy say...that majority is right. Had you
been in the era of Hadhrat Umar (RA), you must have become a rebellion
to that Khalifa-e-Rashid. Think
again...read
Quran and study the life and character of Hadhrat Muhammad (Peace be
upon him) and Khulafa-e-Rashedeen before alleging Jamat-e-Ahmadiyya of
dictatorial behaviour. May Allah guide you.
Ansar Raza
Editor
Brother
Ansar Raza actually the concept of democracy is given to us by the
Holly Quran. Hazrat Musle Maud r.a. have strongly supported democratic
System. He said .." All kinds of Dictatorships and Kingdoms are against
the teachings of Islam and the real Democracy has been introduced
and presented only by Islam. He also said Islam is a champion of
Democracy. Now would you curse Hazrat Musle Maud as well? people like
you in Islam are all around and have caused a great damage to the
religion of Islam.
Comments
Salam,Brothers
and sisters.I am really glad that there are some other Ahmadis who are
concerned about Jamate Ahmadiyyas immage.I also belong to an Ahmadi
background but reaaly ashamed to call my self an Ahmadi,Due to the Un
Islamic and Un Democratic practices in Jamaat.I can understand,That the
leaders of jamaat are having good time coz many Followers are ready to
worship them as PEERS,Thats why they feel no need for any change but i
know that Jamaate Ahmadiyya was actually not a jamaat of PEER followers
to start with.Its good that some real Ahmadis like you are here
toremind us that this is not Ahmadiyyat.It has really disturbed me to
see that the Khandaane Masihe Maud believe to have full control on
Jamaate Ahmadiyya,As even
5th
Khalif is also from Mughal family.I some time wonder,Is there not even
one person in Whole jamaat,Who could be a Khalif,Without being a member
of Khandane Masihe Maud ?
Yasmin Baji
Editor
Baji
Yasmin sahiba I am sorry to admit that this has been the practice
within the Jama'at. The actual vision of Hazrat Massih e Maud
a.s.regarding the Jama'at was not like this. This Site will continue
to raise its voice against those wrong practices being carried
out today in our jama'at. Thanks for your comments
Comments
Mr.
Dar a.a.w.r.correct the spelling of "hatered", it should be "hatred".
What do mean by democracy?As a polition you must know that the opinion
of the majority is not always the public opinion. What kind of
democracy do you need in Jamaat. Take Jamaat as a school and a big
family, where you can quarrel each other but with love. If you say
something sincerely it will work. insha allah
khan
Editor
Brother
Khan thanks for the correction of the spellings. You have made more
mistakes then me but anyway english is not our first language. As far
as the opinion of the majority is concerned, it has always been taken
as the public opinion. This Site believe in living under the umbrella
of Ahmadiyyat regardless of the difference in opinion we have. We will
see if the establishment of the jama'at would follow the teaching of
Holly Quran, that the difference in opinion is a blessing of Allah. We
have seen how an hypocrate like Abdullah Bin Ubbai was allowed to live
under the fold of Islam freely like other Muslims without any
discrimination
. .
Comments
Dear
Mubashir Dar sahib, Aslam Alikum.Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad sahib wrote
in his book AL-WASIYYAT that chanda collected from an individual
country should be spent in that same country. This is because people in
that country know better where to spend the chanda money, and how to do
tabligh more effectively in the same country, using the collected
chanda. Moreover, if it can be stopped that money (chanda) from other
countries go into the hand of khalifa, where no one knows how much
chanda is collected and how much is properly used and how much is
embazzled by khalifa and by theives working for him. If money collected
from (e.g. Canada) is spent in Canada only, then ahmadis in canada can
keep a watch and eye on the collected chanda and its expenditure. nasim
mahdi will not be able to lie and steal money by making a false excuse
that "i have sent all the collected chanda to Hazoor". because when
money leaves canada, then no one knows where did it go. No one knows
how much of chanda money is stolen by Nasim mahdi before sending it to
Khalifa in another country i.e. UK. So, Mubashir Dar sahib, i will
suggest you that you should tell ahamdis in your jamaat that FOLLOW
PROMISED MESSIAH AND HIS WILL PUBLISHED IN AL-WASIYYAT AND SPEND THE
CHANDA COLLECTED FROM CANADA IN CANADA. And khalifa should not be
allowed to change what Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad sahib has written in
his book Al-Wasiyyat. Thank you. You can read Hazrat mirza Ghulam Ahmad
sahib book AL-WASIYYAT on-line both in Urdu and English on Lahori's
website:
fair mind
Editor
Brother
Fair Mind I agree with you that the guidline provided by Promised
Messiah must be followed. I think the top priority at the moment is to
have an elected leadership, which can look all these matters and follow
a system based on fairness and justice. If we have those elements
present in our jama'at structure, then all matters will be sorted out
systematically but if those elements are not present, then the
situation will be devastating. Many Ahmadies are aware of the state of
our affairs but would try not to open there mouth because the
consequences are severe.
Comments
Assalam
O Alaikum,I think you have something special against the Ameer of
Canada, Mr. Naseem Mehdi Sahib. I have seen your various posts in the
ahmadiyya.com forum and I have found out that the only aim of your life
is to discredit Mr. Naseem Mehdi Sahib in some way or other. When
nobody gives any credibility to you, you went ahead and opened a
website. What a pathetic loser!
Fateh Ahmad
Editor
Brother
Fateh actually I do have part of my mission to get rid of the dictator
because I am convinced that this Twenty year long dictatorship is
hurting the well being of our jama'at and I am too like many others
concerned about our jama'at. Every dictator we believe is an elder or
younger brother of Sadam Hussain. All Sadam Hussain like dictators are
dangerous for any society. Many un-educated and un-civilized people
from Third World Countries don't feel anything bad with them just like
you. But like I said it is just one small item on my agenda to deal
with and this dictator is not worth taking my whole attention. The
power behind it is more of my concern. May be your slave like mentality
accept a dictator but many others like me want an elected Amir running
the jama'at in this Country. After all this is my jama'at as
well.
Comments
I
am of the view you need to know the meaning of democracy. Your thinking
is baised on hate against Mr. Mahdi. You even donot know the meaning of
maruf. Are you the one who has to decide what maruf is? surel not
khan, fazal
Editor
Brother
Khan are you trying to tell us that, whatever is happening in jama'at
Canada is democratic but we do not know what is the meanings of
democracy? I think the meaning of Maruf is " Well accepted or well
popular or appealing. I believe imposing dictatorship of a Maulvi over
a jama'at in a Country like Canada for the last Twenty years is not a
maruf decision. Do you think it as a maruf decision?
Comments
need information about Ahmadiyya movement I need more information about Ahmadiyyat
munir
Editor
Brother Munir you can go to the official Ahmadiyya Site to get more information at www.alislam.org
Comments
I
am very much impressed by the efforts done by you to liberate the
Jamaat Ahmadiyya from Bureaucratic system introduced by Khalifa 2 which
damaged the credibility of the Jamaat. I have seen you raising your
voice only against Nasim Mahdi but have completely forgotten about
Amirs like Mirza Wasim in Qadian, Mirza Abdul Haq in Sargodha, so on
and so forth. Keep up the good work Dar Sahib
Mushtaq Malik.
Editor
Brother
Mushtaq Sahib, Thank you for your kind words. We all must provide
sacrifises in order to protect our jama'at and provide it a direction,
which the Promised Messiah a.s. has dreamed about it. Off course this
site is not concentrating its attention on Nasim Mehdi alone, but when
we talk about restoring the democratic process within the Jama'at, we
mean every where in the jama'at. We condemn dictatorship every where.
.
Comments
Can
my Views or Comments be Published on this Site? Does Islam permits the
Freedom of Thoughts & Expressions ? (Name not given)
Editor
Ofcourse
your views and comments can be published here as long as the language
used is decent. Islam is the Champion of the freedom of thoughts,
expressions and conscious, but not today's Muslims in favor of those
things. That's why we are disgraced every where in the World and being
humiliated. That's one of the reason this site has been established to
fight for those values.
Comments
Dear
Dar Sahib Salam"As for as the opinion of the majority is, it is always
been taken as the public opinion" This statement of yours is not
correct. Read the books of political science. It was yesterday in
Pakistan Butto came as elected person but he was not democratic. Hitler
was came also through elections. Majority in GB and USA is against war
in Iraq but it is going on. now see globel. Majority of the world
population is against war, or is not? Only right opinion is public
opinion. And it is decided by the time. On this I would say you must
understand the meaning of Bae`at also. It means you have sold yourself
at the hands of a person for sake of Islam.(Edited)Try to think
positive.Otherwise the path to join with the people of "Ahmedi.org" is
open and waiting for you. (edited)Being a member of Jamaat one has to
abide by the rules, which are best democratic than any other
constitution of the democratic institution e.g. USA GB or France. I
have nor enough time but only for your benifit I thought to write some
lines, supposing you to be a mukhlis. wasslam
Khan
Editor
Brother Khan your letter was too long, so I had to edited it. I hope you will excuse me for that.
I
still insist that the decision of the majority is taken as the public
opinion in a civilized society. The minority decision can't be taken as
public opinion. This site would not agree with you on the definition of
"Bait". According to our understanding, Allah Almighty would not expect
Muslims to become slaves on the name of Bait. A religion comes from
Allah Almighty would expect the believers of all the religions at that
time to give up there Baits they have taken on the hands of their
religious leaders and join the new Prophet comes from Allah in order to
guide them towards the right path. Thats why God have given us the
brain to think and make right decisions. If we have sold our self then
we are not authorize to make free decisions. While taking Bai't the
Khulafa ask the believers to obey them only in Maruf. By saying that
they give them the choice to either accept or reject their
decisions. Allah Almighty will reward or punish those people for making
good or bad decisions. Re your comment " Being a member of jama'at one
has to abide by the rules" I am 100 % agreed with you on this. The
practice in our jama'at is that higher authorities do not abide by the
Rules.
Comments
Dear
Mubashir Dar sahib, thanks for posting my last e-mail message and also
thanks for replying it. In your reply you emphasized that it is
more important to have elected leaders in Canada than to spend the
Chanda collected in Canada in Canada. You seem to agree with the
current system of sending all the chanda to your khalifa in England.
PM-HMGA also mentioned in his book Al-Wasiyyat that "i am not worried
from where the money will come. I am worried where to find the
HONEST people who will use the chanda HONESTLY". This is the reason he
adviced that chanda should be spent in the country it is collected.
Unless Canadian members of your jamaat spend the money in Canada, they
can not keep a check and watch on their donated chanda money. When
money gets into the hands of other people (your khalifa and his men)
and it is out of sight with no audit and no watch and check, it
breeds CORRUPTION. I am sure you are well aware of corruption in your
jamaat. Did you ever thought, howcome 5 million pounds collected on the
name of center in UK (including chanda from you canadians) was misused
and then NO explaination, NO inquiry was done. If your jamaat in canada
had the authority to spend their collected chanda, no one would have
allowed even 1 dollar to go into waste or "na tajarba
karee".
I gave URL to read online book by PM-HMGA i.e. Al-Wasiyyat. I was
expecting unlike moderators on your forum jamaat www.ahmadiyya.com you
will post the URL. After all this is book by PM-HMGA. And by the way if
you believe that your khalifas including khalifa 4 are honest people
than you should not be affraid of posting URL. Your khalifa sahib
claimed of 200 million converstions. Your worry that some one may read
the website of Lahoris
makes
me think, you don't believe your jamaat population is 200 million.===In
your reply to another poster you wrote "Every dictator we believe
is an elder or younger brother of Sadam Hussain". I agree with you.
Your jamaat khalifas come in your definition of dictator. Differnce is
only slight. Sadam Hussain was political dictator where as your
khalifa is religious dictator that is dictating his followers
politically on the name of religion.
fair mind
Editor
Brother
fair mind(please be brief in future. Thanks), I do understand your
concerns but when I said the main factor is to have a just and fair
system and elected representatives of Ahmadies,who should run the
jama'at and its affairs. Once the elected leadership comes up with the
responsibility to be accountable in front of ordinary Ahmadies, then
the corruption will be vanished and every thing will be operated in a
fair and just fasion.
Re.
Chanda be spent in the same Country, where it has been collected. If
the decision of the elected leadership is in favor of that, then it
should be done in that manner. But remember if the leadership is
dictatorial and not accountable, then the Chanda money could be wasted.
So the important factor is the authorities handling the money, more
then where it is being spent. The Chanda money must be spent in a way,
which is approved by the ordinary membership.
The
site is in favor of holding inquiry for the money being wasted or
abused and the report to be published in official Ahmadiyya Newspaper.
Comments
This
site is so hypocritical, on the face you have shows all the good
pictures of Hazrat Maseehe-moud Alaihissalam and his Khalifas, however
inside you have nothing except the criticism of Ameer Jamat Canada,
High Office of Khalifa and Nizam-e-Jamaat. Are you trying to create
another version of Jamaat-e-Ahmadiyya? Remember, Khalifa is supreme -
once elected his authority in all aspects must be respected. This is
what Lahories did not want, and now Dar is trying to achieve the same.
I pray that Allah protect innocent Ahmadies from the greed of such an
hypocrate. Ameen.
MMZ
Editor
Brother
MMZ, You are entitled to your comments and the site has the policy of
freedom of speech and thoughts. Why we have put those pictures on our
site, because we believe them as Promised Messiah and there Khulafa's.
What criticism you see on this site is the honest opinion of the site
as you have your opinion regarding this site. All we want the
authorities to follow the Nizam e jama'at and if necessary bring
positive improvements to the procedures and practices being carried out
within the jama'at in order to reflect the justice and fairness out of
it. I have discussed the same issues in Ahmadiyya.com discussion board
under the heading of "Appointed Leaders" and have challenged the
authorities to respond on them, but no official representative have
responded or denied my challenge. There is a discussion Forum attached
to this Site, where any one can challenge me on any thing but do you
see any one have challenged me so far. Hypocrite people does not talk
with such a courage and specially at an open public forum. You don't
even have the courage to disclose your name. It is not a good practice
to attack by keeping your self in dark. Can you dare to show up on the
discussion Forum and challenge me there?
Comments
Dar
sahib,salam In your introduction of the site you have mentioned "the
site also beleive and justify all five khulafas of promised Messaih".So
how can you criticise them where I see them as the paracites and no
better than the Jageerdars and Rasageers and people like
Mahdi.Rashid,Mahdi etc as their Ghundaaz.The rest are considered
as Kammies.Before you go further in your efforts whatever they are, you
have to decide oneway or other about this jammaat,khulaffas and their
practices.
Karim
Editor
Brother
Karim, Why we justify them is because we were told by Hazrat Massih
Maud that the second manifestation, when it will arrive, would continue
and will stay with us until the judgement day reaches, so if the chain
is broken in between, then it will be almost impossible to continue
again. The second reason is that the process of election is still
restored, although it is of a very poor quality. What we are doing here
is to raise our voices to improve the democratic process for the
election of the Khalifa in order to protect our Nizam e Khilafat. There
is only one way this Nizam e Khilafat will be protected, if the Khalifa
is chosen through the high standards of democratic process and through
a fully elected Majlis e Shura instead of an Electoral college. These
Elected Amir's forms the body of the Majlis e Shura and if most of the
Amir's are hand picked instead of elected like the Amir of Canada Nasim
Mehdi, then the Khalifa would not be able to justify himself. Thats why
the site would raise its voice against undemocratic practices for the
appointments of the Amirs of different jama'ats as.some of them are
appointed for life time and some of them for decades, like Nasim Mehdi,
Mirza Waseem Ahmad or Mirza Abdul Haq or many more like them, against
the requirement of the Nizam e jama'at, which clearly state that those
Amir's must be elected and only for Three years term. This site will
continue its jehad along with those Ahmadies who are concerned.
Comments
Jama'at
Ahmadiyya is facing challenges to respond on the issues, the modern
World is facing today. The jama'at, which was established in a part of
the World, which was known as un-civilized and part of the Third World
Countries.
What
is wromg in it? Masih Maus a.s. was born in the Third World Country. Do
you know how the word Third World Countries came into being? Surely
not.
The
questions to be debated on this topic are Can the current structure and
the Organization of the Jama'at, effectively address the issues
concerned to the Western Civilized societies?
The current structure is much more better than so called civilized society. What is Civilisation in your eye.
Is there a need for the Jama'at to bring improvements to wards its structure?
Who are you and what is your value in Jamaat. Zero
Also
can we convince the Western societies, which are very much disciplined
and believe on accountability, while on the other hand our jama'at does
not have any respect and desire to restore discipline and
accountability process within the jama'at?
You
are not authorise to use the word "we" presenting yourself
representative of Jamaat. It is your illusion that you belong to
Jamaat, in fact you have nothing to do with Jamaat. Donot worry about
it. No body is born to harm it. It will urther progress.
What
are the positive improvements needed if any to wards the Rules and
Procedures we already practice in order to deal with the internal
business of the Jama'at?
If
you have paid your Chanda in last five years regularly and attended the
prayers and heard the all Khutbas of Khalifa tul Masih IV, then you
have got answered, otherwise nobody can make you clear.
Khan
Editor
Mr.
Khan, The area where Holly Prophet pbuh came was worst then Indian
Sub-Continent but the teachings along with the justice and discipline,
which Islam presented made it spread even the civilized areas of the
World. The problem we were talking was not the civilized or
un-civilized areas, but the discipline and justice, what we were
talking, which is not being presented along with the teachings of
Ahmadiyyat. So the stress was given on the practices not on the
teachings. The Tabliegh can be successful only by presenting the sample
of those teachings in our lives. As you have said---
You
are not authorise to use the word "we" presenting yourself
representative of Jamaat. It is your illusion that you belong to
Jamaat, in fact you have nothing to do with Jamaat. Donot worry about
it. No body is born to harm it. It will urther progress.
I
think I should have taken the Fatwa from you first for including my
self in Ahmadiyyat. You don't give me the right to call myself Ahmady.
You are not different then those Mullas, who don't allow Ahmadies to
call them selves Muslims. Also in your opinion to get the answer of the
question I have raised, I should have paid the chanda for five years
and should have heard the Khutaba's of Hazoor for five years. It looks
hard some body will do to get the answer of a question he have. Is not
it so?
Comments
Dear
Mr Dar! I am glad that you have brought up this subject many members of
the jammaat are in same dillima and are frustrated by this
abnormality that exist for many years.the term of the Missionary always
has been set for the period of three(3)years but in my opinion i
believe the chain of command must have been broken down some where
along the line to give rise to the Dictator like the one in Question.I
admire your Guts for standing up for this noble cause the God almighty
does not like arrogant people whos strength is soley based on power
& money and who think of them selves above other human being these
individuals some time become intoxicated with thire false power thus
become rebellious to the truth,one can only be trully free if he
or she can excercise thire basic rights,freedom to choose freedom to
express thire opinion and be heard.may allah show us the path of the
Pious(Amin)
Azad
Editor
Brother
Azad, your comments are self explanatory. We need more people like you
in our jama'at to educate Ahmadies how to guard their faith against the
potential dangers, which can mislead us regarding our religion. We see
many different faith groups today around us. Many of them non Muslims
and many non Ahmady Muslim Groups, All of them believe they are on
right track and the rest have lost there way. Ahmadies are just like
one of them until they guard their faith under the teachings of Quran
and Sunnah and keep an eye on there leadership. The potential is there
within our leadership to loose the right track like you your self
pointed out some areas of weekness in our jama'at. Thats the reason
this site have been established in order to criticise in-justices and
wrong doings within the Jama'at.
Comments
AOA,I
am looking forward to see how well you can come up to unmask the so
called dictators in the jammat. I personally believe that every ahmedi
has a right to know the truth because nothing is important that the
truth. And if you are the one who will disclose all the hidden things
from the ordinary ahmedis than i pray Allah help you.
We
all are human beings. An Ameer jammat is also an human being who can
make mistakes and or misuse his powers. We and every one has a right to
know about that.
We
have learn from histories of different eras that all human beings have
the tendencies to misuse the powers when they are given some. This is
in the nature of the Humans and Ameer jamat or any other ahmedi are no
exceptions to that. I have seen such things myself and i cannot
certainly assume that ahmedis have been treated unfairly throughout the
world. It is our duty to come out and protest these unjustified misuse
of powers.
(Writter do not want his name to be disclosed)
Editor
Brother,
thanks for your concerns. Unfortunately this site have limited
resources at the moment and can not disclose the wrong doings of
dictators. This Site will will use all its resourses to convince
leadership to restor democratic values within the Jama'at in the light
of the teachings of the Holly Quran. Site will also encourage the
authorities to implement those Rules and Procedures described within
the Nizam Jama'at and adopt fair practices. This site will continue its
struggle to create awareness within the Jama'at to inform them about
there duty to monitor the establishment not to adopt unfair practices.
Comments
Dear Dar sahib:
Your
comments in reply to commission: "This procedure must have to be
adopted under the guide lines of the teachings of Islam and Ahmadiyyat
. If you and the Khalifa of the time have any respect for the system
along with the fear of Allah Almighty and the will to follow that
procedure then we can work it out otherwise you are free to adopt your
way, whatever pleases both of you and then I will rely on the Allah
Almighty to protect me from your evil plans."
I
am son of senior most lawyer in Pakistan. I know he has challenged and
won cases against non-profit organizations in Pakistan. Non profit
organization has to follow their constitution. Any such action of non
profit organization, that goes against it's constitution is CHALLENGE
ABLE in court of law. Law is based on common sense. Pakistan and
Canada laws has their roots from English Law of England. Therefore i am
VERY SURE you can easily challenge the UNCONSTITUTIONAL APPOINTMENT OF
NASIM MAHDI AND HIS ILLEGAL APPOINTMENT OF INQUIRY COMMISSION. AND THE
ILLEGAL ACT OF INQUIRY COMMISSION BY DEMANDING YOU TO APPEAR INFRONT OF
THEM. Dar sahib you are sitting in Canada, and not in Qadian or Rabwah.
You are CITIZEN OF CANADA. I wish i was in your place. I would have
SQUEEZED BALLS OF NASIM MAHDI. So, please contact some lawyer in
Canada. Challenge this ILLEGAL AND UNCONSTITUTIONAL ACTION by illegaly
and unconstitutionally appointed Amir i.e. Nasim Mahdi. Please do NOT
get scared this is a real jihad. Stand up to the occassion. A non
profit organization is answerable to a lot of laws and public
questioning. If you take this stand and send a LAWYER NOTICE to Nasim
Mahdi, he will be so scared that he will desolve the inquiry
commission, and Khalifa will remove him from the office. Moreover you
will FREE MANY POOR MAZLOOM AHMADIS in your Jamaat from INHUMAN, UNJUST
ACTIONS of your illegally appointed Amirs.
Just
replying to Commission by saying "you will see them in front of Allah
swt" does NOT solve the problem. It is obvious non of them are scared
of Allah swt. Otherwise they would NOT take such immoral actions. So,
please contact a lawyer and issue a LEGAL NOTICE TO NASIM MAHDI,
questioning his appointment, his appointment of inquiry commission, and
the illegal notice of inquiry commisssion. If basis of any body is
illegal then all actions of that body become automatically illegal. And
remember: Even your khalifa can NOT change laws at this moment, when
notice has been issued to you. If he does any thing like this, then it
is CRIME and illegal. In legal terms it is called: CRIME ON LAW. Nasim
Mahdi is HARASSING YOU. Harrasment is ILLEGAL action. You can even sue
the Nasim Mahdi, and Khalifa for mental anguish and suffering caused by
their illegal and inhumane actions and notice. Get some money out of
this. Dar sahib MARD BANOO. Be a MAN. Get justice for immoral acts done
to your sister in law and your own sister. You owe this to yourself and
to your family. If you decide not to live like a lion then better do
NOT live. Remember: If you did not take action now, then nasim Mahdi
will get more encouraged and he will harm you, your family or any other
poor Ahmadi much more than what he has done to you.
Allah Hafiz and good luck.
Writter do not want name to be disclosed
Editor
Brother
we do appreciate your concerns and thank you for your advise How ever
the Site will concentrate on resolving the issues instead of
fighting them in the courts. We will prefer to fight our case in the
Qaza Board of the Jama'at if required instead of Canadian courts. I am
hopeful that we will settle our differences through peaceful means in
the best interest of our Jama'at. The Site is very well aware of the
options available to it. In the mean while we are more concerned of
restoring discipline and justice within the jama'at, so we all can
practice our religion without having a fear of any dictator, who can
control our opinions and thoughts by threatening the consequences of
expulsion and social by-cot from the jama'at for any Ahmady, who have
any concern regarding any wrong doings of that dictator.
Comments
I
have browsed through your site and it seems that you are a sincere
ahmadi who is very concerned with degradation of the "system". You
seem, however, to be addressing the symptoms and not the cause of the
disease affecting this body called Jamaat-e-Ahmadiyya.
Any
religion, as long as it is a personal affair, can be a wonderful thing.
But when you start to create an organization out of it; the inevitable
result is corruption and abuse of power. This experiment has been done
over and over throughout history and has never resulted in betterment
of humanity.
You
talk about democracy in religion. What a nonsensical idea when the head
of the organization derives his power from God himself. Why should he
be accountable to us mortals?
If
you really want to fix the problem with this organization get rid of
the organization and preach the religion as a personal thing.
Sincerely (Name not given and requested not to disclose.)
Editor:
You
said "You talk about democracy in religion. What a nonsensical idea
when the head of the organization derives his power from God himself.
Why should he be accountable to us mortals?"
This
Site do not agree with your position and believe that the head of the
Organization drives his powers from the jama'at through through an
electoral process. Without an election from the Jama'at, he would not
be acceptable. God have given the choice to elect a Khalifa to the
members of the jama'at to be justified. A Khalifa in Islam can not hold
powers as of a Prophet. A prophet derives his power from the Allah
Almighty but on the other hand a Khalifa is elected in order to restore
administration within the Jama'at. Also a Prophet is taught by the
Allah Almighty through Wahi or Ilham, which is a must requirement but
this requirement is not necessary for a Khalifa, so the combined will
of the jama'at can't be ignored by the Khalifa of the time. This topic
can be further debated in the discussion forum attached.
Comments
I
am pleased to find a religious person like you and in so much love with
democracy. I am also a very strong believer in democracy and respect
all the democratic decisions, not only by religious organizations but
also by non-religious organizations.
In
response to a comment by Mr. Khan you said "I still insist that the
decision of the majority is taken as the public opinion in the
civilized World. The minority decision can't be taken as public
opinion". I totally agree with you and remind you that a huge majority
of Muslims all over the word Democratically believe that your Jammaat
is a non Muslim group trying to damage the Muslim Ummah all over the
word. Now it does not matter if you like a popular decision around the
world or not. It remains a democratically popular decision and your
democratic responsibility to respect it. If you have any respect for
democracy then please accept the decision by Muslim Ummah and
announce your non-Muslim status on this website. Thank you.
Queen
Editor:
You
should better learn more about democratic system. The majority decision
must have to come from the jama'at or a community for which that matter
is being discussed. for example a Christian majority can't decide any
matter for a Muslim minority or a Jewish minority. Also a big nation
like China can't decide to take over a small Country like Burma in the
light of a majority rule concept. In the same manner a majority of one
sect of Muslims can't decide for the other sect with minority. In
democracy the majority Rule does not apply in this situation.
Also
there is no proof that the majority of Muslims have declared Ahmadies
as non Muslim. Only one Country Pakistan have made that decision and
only for Political reasons. What about the rest of the Muslim
Countries? In fact almost every Muslim sect have declared the other
sects as non Muslim. See the justice Munir Inquiry Commission report.
The point behind the system of democratic attitude is that if for
example there are 100 people living some where. Their matters must be
decided through a majority decision from those 100 people. There
matters can't be decided by another group of 500 people in another
jurisdiction.
Now
when we say that jama'at should follow the democratic attitude. It
means that the matters regarding the jama'at must be decided in the way
the majority of the Ahmadies want it to be. Very simple, very logical
and is based on justice, fairness and equality, which is the Islamic
teaching.
Comments:
Mr.
Dar, I will pray for you may Allah guide you on the right path! You
need help, all visitors of the page are requested to remember this lost
soul in your prayers!
Name not given
Editor:
Prayers can only be helpful. Thank you sir. We respect your opinion.
Comments:
You
and your family do not even practice Islam Ahmadiyyat in it's simplest
form... Does your wife do parda??? doesn't she go out to gathering
where there are men and she does not even cover her head... ...please
look at your own self and inside your own home first before you can
criticize someone else.... correct yourself first... you cannot preach
something that you cannot follow yourself.... Correct you own home
first...then worry about the dictators in the world!
No name
Editor:
Like
Hazrat Issa or jesus a.s. said at one occasion, while deciding the fate
of a women. He who have no sin should throw the first stone at the
woman. Every body walked away. This your principal should be applied to
all from bottom to top. Then we will see who will be speaking? In the
mean while we all are open to give our opinions regarding any issue. Do
we need a clearance certificate first from you brother before we speak
against any in-justice against anybody within the society?
