Comments:
Dear Dar Sahib
Assalam
o Alaikum WW I shall not give you any suggestion to you as to what you
should do and what not to do regarding your response to the inquiry
commission set forth by whosoever he may be. I shall pray for you and
your family to save you from the evil intentions of the enemies. I am
sure that you have the competence and wisdom and knowhow to confront
the evils of any system I pray for your success and most importantly
you and your familiy's welfare.Your own dicisions regarding this will
be the best for you.
Ahmad
Editor:
Thank you brother for your faith on my abilities and your best wishes for me and my family.
Comments:
Assalamo Alaikum MDar sahib,
Thank you for your swift reply and I hope you are in the best of health.
Fundamentally
Sir, I fail to understand what you mean by "you said yes and no both."
To add clarification to what I said before, I am happy if you were to
display my email messages in your letters to the editor section. I only
asked for additional information, not saying yes or no. Secondly, I can
clarify the true meaning in essence of the statement upon which the
challenge is based and hence answer your interpretation that only a
democracy can work in Islam. The point of order being that how can I
prove something is Islamic or not without references from the Qu'ran
and Ahadith of Nabie-Kareem Sa-allaho-alaih-wasalam. Finally, this is
not a religious service, as it is an answer to an open challenge upon
which your website is based. There happens to be a site freedomfaith,
who launch attack against Islam and they also carry a challenge, that
if proven wrong, they would take their site down. Can you do the same?
Surely, it will be a great encouragement to all of the visitors to
answer your challenge. An advertisment, if you may
Name requested not to be disclosed.
Editor:
Brother the question regarding putting your comments on the board. You said
Checkbox 3 Please do not post my comments on the Editorial Board
Checkbox 4 Please do not disclose my Name but the Site can Publish these information.
That's why I was not sure that you wanted your comments to be posted or not.
It
is your responsibility to find out the references against democratic
attitude from the Holly Quran and Ahadees. Secondly I believe this is a
service to the religion. As the opponents of Islam today are claiming
this religion to be a dictatorial religion, which has been spread out
through the use of force. Unfortunately even Muslims including Ahmadies
today are by joining hands with the opponents of Islam are saying that
Islam is undemocratic and infect is Dictatorial in its nature. The
challenge extended by this Site is that Islam is highly a democratic
religion. We have also Hazrat Mirza Basheer ud Din Mahmood r.a. the
Musle Maud is behind us, who have openly announced that Islam is the
champion of democracy. I wonder how people like you would try to prove
this religion to be a dictatorial religion. This Site if had financial
resources, would have paid you a reward for proving it to be a
dictatorial religion.
To
your other question regarding pulling this Site down if some one prove
this to be a dictatorial religion. I can promise you that by standing
side by side with Hazrat Musle Maud on this issue . I will also
reconsider my faith on Islam. This Site and Hazrat Musle Maud both
believe on it.
Comments:
mubashir
dar sahib,i've been listening about you since i a came to canada,not
from ahmadies but from gair ahmadi.i friend of mine know you and your
family very well.infact they helped you alot in your campaign.well they
told me about you,since then my interest in discovering you and to know
you grew more and more every day.
one day i went to ahmedi.org
what a disgusting site
but
well i saw you there,i read your comments. and one thing as a gernalist
my self i must say,you took the hold of the interview.
i
loved the way u take the side of jammat.i liked very much when u
expressed your disgust and uncomfert against the material they have on
thier site.
i
also realized that you have the potential to do something(alot of
things) for jammat.and you are by all means true ahmadi muslim may
allah bless you.you set a war of rights,not war of beliefs.i met
hundred of people who have the same thinking in jammat.every one has
thier own view of expressing it.
now
after all this admiration, i saw amir sahib gave you a notice,well he
is justified.he cant give you a trophy for saying all what you have
said about him.one of the commitee members is among my relative.so i
will be in touch of what is happening.this is not munafiqat. i respect
you for what you are, i dont agree with all of ur statments.
i
am surfing this site,good work i must say.may allah give you
sabr,isteqmat and taqwa.you are a asset we dont want to loose you,did
you ever meet hazoor.i realize that you have great respect for hazoor.
despite of the interviewer giving you a whole diction of bad words
against khulfa, u always chose one simple,less emotional, ghiar
maroof.i have many more words and way of expression which poeple can
write in several ways, but i will take them less offensive then what
some of our jammatis do.
ok
sir its nice that i am talking to you directly,we need improvement in
our jammat. other wise it is going to loose if not hundreds then many
of hard workers,honest volenteers, but for me i see it this way.if i
wont do it someone else will do the jammat work.it is not going to
stop.coz the roots are in truth.we are going to get the blessings from
allah. i have seen those houses who have worked for jammat and are on
the right track,allah never let thier deeds go wasted.they are much
better then those who have athority in jammat and are not even a good
muslim. for me it is first me and my family whome i will make good
muslims,then ahmadis.then volunteers. to a extend our jammat needs
it.other wise you have your religion i have mine.
daar
sahib one request i have a nice image of yours, i see as you are very
straight forward,honest ahmadi,brave and obedient,please dont let it
fall
admirer
Name not given
Editor:
Brother
Anonymous, I appreciate for the understanding and the kindness, which
reflects through your comments for me and this Site. The message you
got out of my interview with Ahmedi.org was the exactly one, which I
wanted to convey. I have not met Khalifa tul Madih the V yet but I have
met 2nd, Third and 4th Khulafa. I can assure you that I would not let
you or any other concerned Ahmady down. The true message of Islam
through Ahmadiyyat is running through my blood and I would not let the
jama'at Ahmadiyya down until the last drop of the blood I have. My
humble efforts alone can't achieve much unless some of us join hands
together in this blessed fight.
In
the mean time the respect and the obedience of the office bearers along
with the Khalifa of the time we have will be remained conditional as
long as they reflect the true teachings of Islam as it has been
mentioned within the Holy Quran and understood by Hazrat Mohammad slaw
and his sub-ordinate Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad a.s. This Site will
continue its fight for justice, fairness and equality within the
jama'at and will promote and fight for the restoration of basic human
rights for ordinary members of the jama'at. Today the Ahmadies have
completely lost the control over the process through which the
leadership is chosen. Today ordinary Ahmadies are being reminded
continuously for their duties but are completely deprived of their
basic rights.
A
process to create slavery within the jama'at is in full progress
through the prescription of a triangle, whose components are as
follow :
1
Complete Obedience for the Khilafat and his Amirs.
2Imposition of Dictators as National Ameers.
3Expulsion from the Nizam e jamat through Disciplinary actions against the concerned members.
This
Site will encourage Ahmadies to adopt the fear of Allah Almighty only
through increasing their level of taqwa, which will free them from the
fear of the rest.
Comments:
Dear Dar Sahib, AoA
I
was reading your artical about the letter sent to you by the commision.
In your reply you have asked the authority of this commision.
It
seems like you have lots of issues with current Ameer Jamaat (who was
appointed by Khalifa VI.ra.). OR it might be possible that you are,
somewhere in you heart, having a desire to be elected as Ameer Jamaat.
Anyway if the first one is true, I have few questions:
1. Did you personally talked to Ameer Sahib on the issues, you were not agree with him?
2.
If, yes, and he did not take any action on those issues, did you send a
written request to him mentioning if the issues were not resolved, you
would write a complaint to Khalifa?
3. Still if issues were not resolved, did you write letter to Khalifa and sent a copy to Ameer as well?
I
hope you have gone through all of the three above mentioned steps
already. If even after step 3 Khalifa VI did not decide to replace
Ameer then please read Quraan (4:60,65-66) and (33:37). By giving these
references I do not actually mean that Khalifa is on the same rank as
Rasool, but I mean to say that if you beleive that Khalifa is appointed
by Allah himself, then you should not ave trouble. (I am not able to
find the exact aayah right now which says that Allah appoints Khalifa).
Now
I think you are also well aware of the meanings of word BAIT. It means
selling yourself as a slave when you go for BAIT. And being an Ahmadi
if you beleive that Khalifa is made by ALLAH Himself (even though he is
elected by Majlis Intekhab), then his decision about appointing an
Ameer cannot be challanged.
Now
as you have mentioned the Nizam-e-Jamaat which requires the Ameer to be
elected every three years, it seams that you are very well aware of
this election system. I doubt it. The reason is that you are not very
well aware of the system. First of all the system of elelction can have
small amendments by yearly shura commity's decisions (if approved by
Khalifa-tul-Masih). Let me write down some steps here for your
information.
1. Election days is announced and all those who are up to date with their lazmi chandas (compulsory donations).
2. If more than 50% people are present at the time of election, it is conducted by someone outsider.
3.
A silent prayer (in which we pray from Allah to strengthen our hearts
and hands for those who can really hold the responsibilities).
4. Names are given and seconded.
5. Votes are casted.
6.
Results are sent to the higher authority, who has sole right to decide
which name is best suitable for the post. In making this decision he is
not bound to select the one who receive the highest votes. He can even
select the one who has the lowest votes casted. He even can decide to
hold election again, if he does not find someone capable of having the
post.
Now
after knowing these steps, especialy the last step, you can easily see
that Nizam-e-Jamat basically does not fully support the election. Yes
election is a way which make it easier for the dicision making
authority to appoint someone on a post.
Thanks
Muhammad Asif Nadeem
Editor:
Brother
Asif, First of all I will clear myself to you that I am not interested
at all to become an Ameer. Also after adopting this criteria I would
not be acceptable by the establishment and the majority of the Ahmadies
who would like to follow what the establishment says.
I
basically have no issues with the Ameer other than an understanding
that he have made and still making a lot of damage to our jama'at
through his dictatorial policies. This jama'at is belong to all of us
and we should not let anybody to damage our jama'at by taking
over the driving seat without our permission regardless of he is an
Ameer or a Khalifa of the time. In my opinion this might have been the
thinking of Hazrat Aisha.r.a and Hazrat Hussain r.a., when they
confronted with the Khalifa of the time.
By
looking at this issue it seems that in fact the Khalifa of the time is
actually responsible for establishing this set-up. That's why this Site
has decided to take the matter to the appropriate Islamic forum the
Qaza Board and find out if a Khalifa has that authority to make that
kind of a set-up at his discretion (Keeping in mind the Nizam e jama'at
in its spirit does not support the Khalifa of the time to go that
route). Also the Islamic teachings are not in favor of those kind of
dictatorial policies. Islam believe on Mushawarat.
You
have asked me, if I have followed the criteria you have suggested. You
should also ask Khalifa tul Masih if he has followed the criteria for
the appointment of the Ameers, as has been described within the Nizam e
jama'at. Can you dare to ask them? You can't because you have sold
yourself through your Ba'it and now you are no more than a slave. Now
for example if a true Messenger of Allah comes, you and people like you
will reject him by saying our religious leaders don't want us to listen
to you as it has been the case in the history. Always the religious
leaders have pressured their followers not to accept the Prophets.
The
concept for appointing a Khalifa and suggesting the status of an Ahmady
as a slave(as you suggested the meaning of the Bait) to the Khalifa of
the time. Is it wise to encourage Muslims to become slaves of the
Khalifa of the time instead of remaining a slave to Allah Almighty and
his Prophet slaw. A Khalifa must have to be judged under the guide
lines of Quran and Sunnah according to the Islamic teachings. That's
why we justify Hazrat Imam Hussain against Yazeed Pleet, the Khalifa of
the time. If we take your interpretation then everyone must in every
situation follow the Khalifa of the time. Then what about those great
imams and others along with Hazrat Aisha r.a. and Hazrat Imam Hussain,
who confronted with the Khulafas of their time.
We
must understand that the appointments of Prophets and Khulafas are
carried out differently by the Allah Almighty. The Prophets are Allah
Almighty's choice and Khulafas are the choices of the ordinary members
of a Prophets jama'at. If there is someone to be followed blindly, it
should be the Prophets and even the Holly Prophet slaw has not demanded
the blind obedience when he said he is only a human being and he is
capable of making mistakes. God Almighty is continually reminding us to
use our brains and educate ourselves. By using our brains we no longer
becomes slaves. We comes up with different opinions regarding one
issue. That's why The Holy Quran says that the difference in opinions
is a blessing of Allah Almighty. We must abide by that teaching of
Islam and should not draw a line that what ever a Khalifa says must
have to be followed since we have done the Ba'it and we have sold
ourselves.
Regarding
your last statement that the Nizam e jama'at does not really support
the election process is totally wrong and misleading. In fact the Nizam
e jama'at is fully democratic and fully supporting the election
process. That's why all our public offices from A to Z are being filled
through the election process. The approval of Hazoor is suggested as
formal as the Khalifa would not be familiar with all the Ahmadies
living around the Globe. We must remember what Hazrat Musle Maud has
described regarding this that " All kinds of Dictatorships and Kingdoms
are against the teachings of Islam and the real Democracy has
been introduced and presented only by Islam"
It
is not the authority of a Maulvi to explain to Hazoor for the
level of taqwa every elected Ahmady possesses. It will be the ordinary
Ahmadies living in any given area to decide among themselves, who is
entitled to become an office bearer, then Hazoor have to formally
approve them unless in an extremely important situation Hazoor advises
the otherwise.
This is just an opinion of the Site and everyone is entitle to that but only Allah Almighty knows for sure.
Comments:
Dear Editor,
I think that i will be a good
idea for you to write directly to Hazoor about what ever your concerns
are and if you are really interested in solving this issue. Get a
ticket and go to UK to meet him. As a general it really seems pretty
strange to me that you believe on NIZAM e KHILAFAT and you believe on
statement that God is the one who helps our JAMAT to elect our KHALIFA
then whats the point to ignore his decisions. If you believe God is the
one who chooses Khalifa then i dont think so there should be any
dispute about who is having seat and who dont. Secondly i personally
believe that who is running NIZAM e JAMAT, God and only God. He has
commissioned our KHALIFA to help us and to care for us, so why not to
discuss with him directly about this whole issue and not to make
strange interviews with anti websites. Well May Allah be always with
those who are on right track and will help your true intentions of
serving Jamat propagate more and more. Thanks alot for listening.
Simple Ahmadi
Editor:
Brother
Simple Ahmadi I do believe on Nizam e Khilafat but a Khalifa may not be
justified all the time and a Khalifa can have his own priorities, which
could be different then what Allah Almighty have for his jama'at like
ours. The history is filled with the examples of those Khulafas, who
committed horrible crimes. The Mafia like set up which was created by
the 4th Khalifa in Canada and in some other Countries, which is
contrary to the requirements of the Nizam e jama'at is still in
existence, which does not allow us to believe that the current Khalifa
of the time is willing to run the jama'at according to the teachings of
the Holly Quran and Sunnah. I am ready to sit down at the feet of the
Khalifa as has been the case in the past, but only when he is willing
to follow the foot steps of the Khulafa e Rashdeens. I am more inclined
to keep my Allah Almighty happy then to look for the pleasure of the
Khalifa. The situation we have today we can nott keep both happy at the
same time.
Comments:
Dear Mr.Dar,
I
stumbled to your site thinking their was latest news of jamat,any way
it was intresting to read,I am a proud ahmedi, not fannatic kind but I
was hurt reading your comments, I am proud to be a son of Derwaish, I
have heard about your father, itis realy hard to believe that you could
adopt this kind of forum to bring your grieviences. you realy think in
your right mind you will gain any thing.Mr.Dar you are not going
through even one percent what my family has gone through but let me
tell you from my life experience. my father he just said once to all of
us itis khlifa e waqats order and i am going to obey it, no question
asked, I was 14 year old and oldest of 10 sibblings, we were out of
jammat for 13 years and guess what we never none of us spoke against
khalfas diciesion and the barkat Almighty God has showerd on my family
is just unblievable. we are blessed with more than we deserve and we
ever thought we will have. it was just because of our fathers teaching
he always said PUTRO KHALIFA AUR USKE NIZAM KI ATAT KKARO PHIR DEKHO
APNE KHUDA KE JALWE. and Mr.Dar we are seeing it day and night.
Mr.Dar
I dont know you, you dont know me, the only relation between you and me
is you are ahmadi and i am ahmadi, you are son of darwesh and i am son
of darwesh,I dont know how old you are do you remmember Qadian or not
those 313 mujaheds of ahmediyat had secrified every thing of their
lifes and stayed back to guard qadian on their khalifa's order and
children of those mujahids are scattered all over the world, it is only
the blessing of attat,Mr.Dar I cannot advise you, but I blieve I can
request you to not to adopt the path wich will take you towards the
distruction.Atleast think about your fathers soul,think about your
mother. MAY ALLAH GUIDE YOU TO RIGHT PATH. Make use of your inteligence
in good cause of Jamat.
wes salam
AHMED
Editor:
Brother
Ahmed I respect you for your concerns and devotion towards the
Khilafat. I have become familiar with the Khulafas of Islam, what most
of them have done after the era of Khilafat e Rashida. I can see what
is being done today by our Khulafas. These Khalfas are imposing Ameers
over the jama'ats of poor Ahmadies for life times at their discretion
to create slavery among us against the requirements of the Nizam e
jama'at, those Ameers act like their masters and think ordinary
Ahmadies as their servants. Then these Khulafas order these Ahmadies to
show a blind obedience towards those Ameers. Then the Khalifa reward
the ordinary Ahmadies with the expulsion from the jama'at if they try
to open up their mouth against the in justices. This is just a sample
of their attitude towards Ahmadies.
Be honest and tell us brother Ahmed if Allah will be happy with these Khulafas and will listen to them.
I personally feel more comfortable to follow the guide line of the islamic teaching at a time like this to act on ---
" Amar bil maruf wa nahi ann ul munkar
