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mr dar!
do
u remember the date august 17,1988 , when Allah blessed His khalifa by
excepting his prayers.do u remember the friday sermon of august 12,
1988? if yes, then is it possible that Allah excepts the prayers of a
khalifa who is not according to the criteria.
IK NISHAN KAAFI HAY GAR DIL MAIN HO KHAUF-E-KIRDGAAR
i
want to give u thanks because after visiting your web site , now i'm a
more obedient of khalifat and nizam-e-jama'at.you know, i'm a muba'ay
of khilafat not any ameer or some thing like that but if khalifa-e-waqt
even appointed a crimanal(na auzo billah..) then obedience will
my case because i know that khalifa is responsible to Allah ONLY.
May
be u and your group.., thought that you are serving islam, but you
people are just a group of SHAYATEEN and nothing more than that.your
personal clash with mr naseem sahib will ultimately crush you and you
will see that Allah will always be with us.
if
u become again on RAAH-E-RAAST, its ok for you otherwise yor site is
serving islam in also another way...like me..who is now a more
powerfull believer of nizam-e-jama'at.
may Allah always show us sirat-e-mustaqeem.aamen
yours wellwisher
succha baccha
Editor:
Brother
succha baccha, First of all you should have the courage to use your
real name instead of hiding your name and identity. This is not an
islamic style or practice specially when lying down charges against
some one. I am glad your faith has become even more stronger towards
Nizam e Jama'at and The Khalifa of the time. This is also the goal of
this Site to strengthen the faith of Ahmadies on the system of Khilafat
and Nizam e jama'at but we are emphasizing on the point that this
should be done through keeping our eyes open instead of having a blind
faith like you have the one. The institution of Khilafat can't be
protected through a blind obedience and the Nizam e jama'at can't be
restored if not followed its requirements.
There
are many religious sects within Islam and out side the Islam, which
have become a cult and they blindly obey there system and there
spiritual leaders. Some time they decide to commit suicide collectively
if their leaders decides it. Even in Islam you find some Muslims kills
other Muslims and you might have been aware of throwing Bombs in the
Mosques and shooting incidents are taking place at the instructions of
their Muslim leaders. You are also trying to be a follower like them as
you says "if khalifa-e-waqt even appointed a crimanal(na auzo
billah..) then obedience will my case because i know that khalifa is
responsible to Allah ONLY" Allah wants from Muslims to follow even
their Khalifa only in Maruf instead of following them blindly. There is
no warranty from Allah Almighty that every Khalifa follows the right
path. You should be aware of the Islamic history, when Khulafa's acted
completely against the teachings of Islam and caused a huge damage to
Islam. Exception was to Khulafa e Rashdeen and some others like Hazrat
Umar Bin Abdul Aziz and those who followed their way. Believers like
you are dangerous for any Religion or any Khalifa as you are a fanatic
and blind follower, who do not want to use there brain for what is
right and what is wrong in any decision comes from a leader.
Your
other concern regarding Allah only accepts the prayers of his true
Khulafa's. Infect Allah Almighty accepts the prayers of even non
Muslims, who sincerely calls Allah Almighty for help. Allah Almighty
accepts the prayers of those who are the victims of injustice against
the tyrant dictators. In the above example Allah Almighty accepted the
prayers of his Khalifa against a tyrant dictator like Zia ul Haq. Now
this does not mean that every decision made by Khalifa e Rabeh was
right. This Site have never rejected Mirza Tahir Ahmad as the justified
Khalifa of the jama'at but also would not 100% agreed with his every
decision he took. Being a Human being he made mistakes.
Comments
Dear
Mubashar Dar Sahib,AOA. Good job on your website. I admire
your courage to stand up for what you believe is right. Since you
seem to be very knowledgable about the Nizam Jamaat Ahmadiyya, I was
wondering if you could tell me a little bit more about
1) The electoral of Amirs
2) The electoral College
1)
You stated that it is Jamaat policy to have the Amir elected every 3
years, yet the Khalifa does not follow this policy and instead of you
have Lifetime Amirs such as Naseem Mehdi and Mirza Muzaffar
Ahmad. Could you email me a list of all of these Amirs that are
"Lifetime Amirs" (such as I believe there is one in Sargotha)?
Which countries actually follow the process and democratically elect an Amir every 3 years?
2) How many people are on the Electoral College?
Originally, when Khalifa Sani set up the Electoral College it contained the following members:
The surviving sons of the Promised Messiah.
The President of the Sadr Anjuman Ahmadiyya.
All Secretaries of the Sadr Anjuman.
The director General and the Directors of Tahrik Jadeed.
The President of Waqf Jadeed.
The Principal of the Talim-ul-Islam College.
The Headmaster of the Talim-ul-islam High High School.
The President of the Theological Seminary.
The President of Ansarullah.
The President of Khuddam-ul-Ahmadiyya.
Representative of Lajna Imaillah.
Missionaries who had worked abroad for a minimum period of five years.
Missionaries who had worked within Pakistan or India for a minimum period of five years.
Ameers of circles in Pakistan.
Members of the Movement who had joined the Movement in the lifetime of the Founder of the Movement.
Now,
this must have changed by now. Are there "token seats" for
Survining Grandsons or Great Grandsons of the Promised Messiah?
Who was on the Electoral College that elected Mirza Masroor?
Thank you very much for your help and May Allah Bless You!.
Confused Ahmadi
Editor:
Brother
Whatever your name is, To let you know that I am not a very
knowledgeable person regarding the matters of the jama'at. you might
know more then myself. I do not havefull information's regarding those
Amirs, who have been appointed for life time and I don't have
information's regarding those Countries where the regular process of
elections is being carried out. The correct information's can and
should be obtained through the Jama'at authorities, if they are willing
to provide those information's. Since some of the current practices of
the jama'at, which are contrary to the teachings of Islam and
Ahmadiyyat paints an ugly picture of the jama'at, that's why the
authorities of the jama'at does not allow to provide information to the
ordinary members regarding the operations of the jama'at. It is not a
clean and open jama'at anymore. That's the reason this site is
confronting with the highest authorities of the jama'at to keep it
clean and open jama'at with nothing to hide. Also to force the
officials to adopt the democratic procedures as has been prescribed
with in the nizam e jama'at and within the Holly Quran.
Regarding
your question about the Electoral college. Jama'at keeps it as a secret
and would not provide a list of the members of this college to the
ordinary ahmadies due to the fact that they might loose their faith on
the establishment. The establishment want to provide the jama'at with a
Khalifa after the election process and think what goes on in between or
behind the doors is not the business of the ordinary ahmadies and if
anyone insist to provide information's can be subject to the expulsion
from the jama'at. The site believes the Electoral college has become
out dated and can not be accommodated by any criteria based on fairness
and justice. The election of a Khalifa must be held from now on
within the International Majlis e Shura, whose members must be elected
by the various jama'ats of Worldwide Ahmadiyya jama'at..
Comments:
My dearSir,
Your
Essay on Khilafat does make senes but where ever you have quoted Musle
Maood or Hadith or Holy Quran or other book you must give proper
references. Without reference it is very difficult to convince the
reader. you will have to do some more home work.
yours sincerely,
Please do not disclose my Name but the Site can Publish these information.
Editor:
Thanks
for pointing out about the refferences. I will try to provide the
refferences under the essay and will try to provide refferences next
time.
Comments:
DEAR BRETHREN,
Aoozobillahe minasshaitaanirrajim.Bismillahhirrahmanirrahim I HOPE YOU PUBLISH IT FULLY.
MERELY
PUTING UP A FEW PHOTOS OF MASEEHEMOUD-O-MEHDI(AWS) ON WEBSITE AND A
SUPERFICIAL OR little in depth perception of teachings of promised
messiah doesn't' make or project any one as Ahmedi. All 'ahle taqwaa'
know it and reject it as MUNAAFAQAT.
Dear
brethren and sisters, this is not our age at present on the decline of
life that we can research upon religion, nor are we clergymen or
scholars to take or shoot arguments, whatever appeals we take to faith
and with tangible miracles we strengthen our faith. And it is on faith
only that submission and humbleness rests because if there is any fraud
or cheating Allah in Whom we are depending in faith has all power to
punish and pulverise untruth. So lslam with the concept of Imam
(khalifa) has made religion so very easy- that your duty is to have
faith; keep obeying perfectly and sit back in peace; Allah is the Guide
& the Guarantee of the decision of Imam (khalifa).
Moreover, Khalifa is --------Contiue-----------
Comments:
MR
DAAR: I read your interview on www.ahmedi.org. The website which is an
open enemy of Nizam-e-Jamat.Not only that but they are also declared
enemies of Hazrat Promised Messiah(AS). They make fun of the teaching
of Hazrat Masieh Maod(as). They also crtisize Hazrat Musleh Maod(ra)in
a very shmeless way which is based on 100% false statements. Their
writingss are openly hostile to our believes. Can you explain it to me
that, being an Ahmadi Muslim, how could you agree to work with them?
Here is the link which validify this.
(http://www.ahmedi.org/interview/mubashar?page=15).I know, I am bit
late to ask this question. BUT forget abt Naseem Mehdi & Khalifa
Khamis (aba)for a moment. Tell me one thing? If you believe in Hazrat
Maish Maod(as),then does your believe permits you work with those Or
give your interview to those who are nothing but foe of His teachings
WHO make fun of His claim? In Islamic terminology, people like you are
called hypocrite, and rebellious? CAN YOU JUSTIFY THAT YO
U ARE NOT?
Remember,
It is ALLAH who send Promised Messiah(as). And you are giving your best
wishes to those who are the disgusting rivals of ALLAH's messangers.
I
am plannig to write a detail book.(INSHALLAH), to prove that Khilafat
indeed, is the second menifestaion of God. Although alot of stuff is
already there in Jamaat's liturature at this topic which is based on
Quran and Hadees.
Just a Loyal member of Jamaat
Editor:
First
of all brother ??? You should not hide yourself and criticize me
to be a hypocrite. I am by the grace of Allah Almighty a devoted
Ahmady, may not be according to your standards. Through the command of
Allah Almighty “ Amar Bil Maruf and Nahi Unal Munkir “I am criticizing
anyone regardless of the position he holds either a Khalifa, Ameer or
any ordinary person as long as the person is acting against the
teachings of Quran. I do not hide my self and everyone knows who, I am
and what am I saying. No fear of anyone but of Allah Almighty. I have
made my self available through the Discussion Forum attached to this
Site in order to discuss or debate on any issue I have been presenting
on AhmadiyyaNews. I am a great supporter of the institution of Khilafat.
Now
when it comes to the interview, my policy is to express my
understanding of religion and any other concerns regardless of who is
taking the interview. He could be a Jew, Christian, Hindu or Muslim.
Does Quran or Islamic teachings forbid us to give interview to non
Ahmady media? My Masters the Holly Prophet pbuh and Promised Messiah
a.s. always gave interviews and had debates with those, who were making
fun out of them all the time. Keeping in mind that I showed my dis
pleasure on the contents of their Site in the same interview. Also I
have not written any thing on their Site after than or taken part in
discussions on their Forum. I am well aware of their policy and not
working with them at all but I can not ignore them. We must have to
respond on the issues they have raised on at least one of our forum.
I
wish you the best for your book but I have doubts that you will be able
to do the justice to the subject you are writing on. The concept of
Khilafat being preached today by the Khilafat Ahmadiyya reflects only
the version, which most suits to the Khulafas of the family in order to
keep the Khilafat in the family. Better check out the version of
Khilafat provided by Ummaya's or Abbasses
Comments:
My dear Forum Administrator,
Your
latest article ' wasih-makanak ' is very couragous and thought
provoking. May Allah SWT save the Jamaat Ahmadiyya from breaking in to
much smaller groups and may Allah SWT eliminate the selfish and maoqa
parasat people from the Jamaat established by Hazrat Masih Maud AS.
May
Allah SWT grant you health, courage and ability to fight this Jihad
against selfish khandani Khulafa and their stooges. Amin.
Keep up the good work and Allah SWT is with you and shall reward you and your family in this world and Hereafter.
Mushtaq Malik
Editor:
Thank
you brother Mushtaq Sahib for your appreciation and support towards
raising kalma haq for the betterment of our Divine jama'at.. Its about
time that we Ahmady Muslims start providing sacrifices and follow the
path of Hazrat Imam Hussain r.a. in order to protect our Khilafat from
all those (specially the Khandan), who want to take over the control of
this define Jama'at for their selfish desires. The fragile picture of
the jama'at's future can be seen through the dream as Allah Almighty
has shown to Khalifa Sani. r.a. ( Click here to see the link )
No Ahmady can deny this fact today that they have lost the control over the election of their Khalifa and Amir.
Dictatorship and conspiracies have become the order of the day within
the jama'at today. May Allah Almighty open up the eye's of
ordinary Ahmadies, so they can become aware of the fact that the
Khandan have managed to hi-jack the Khilafat through the establishment
of Ellectrol College and now Ahmadies are serving the interests of the
Royal family instead of serving Islam and Ahmadiyyat. The fear of the
punishment of Ikhraj az Nizam Jama'at have dissolved their Taqwa and
now they are living like slaves of the Khandan because the
Khilafat will have to stay within the Khandan through the adopted
criteria and Ahmadies have sold them selves through the Bai't of the
Khalifa as being preached today.
Was
that the reason this divine Jama'at was created? Ahmadies must
understand the message passed on to them through the dream of Khalfa
Sani r.a. and avoid the horrible picture of the future of the Jama'at
before it is too late. It can only be achieved by taking the control of election process of there Khalifa and Amir in the hands of the ordinary Ahmadies. It can only be made possible through the establishment of elected Majlis Shura and the election of the Khalifa from that platform.
The Khulafa's from the Khandan will never ever let this happen because
that will bring an end to the Khulafa's from the Khandan. These
democratic reforms only can be introduced within the Jama'at either by
one of them become like Hazrat Umar bin Abdul Aziz r.a. or the Promised
Reformer appears as prophesied by the Promised Messiah a.s..
